My Dear and sweet friend,
The trinity does not even exist, this is why people cannot explain it's definition. In Judaism, the very faith that Jesus practiced - because he was a Jew, we teach that there is just one God, only one that has NEVER had a beginning. His son however, does have a beinging, this was before the days of creation, because it was His son that created everything under His direction. They are separate people, like we are separate people, this is why there are two main thrones in heaven as you see in Psalm 110:1. In Hebrew [the original language of the bible, my language] it reads like this, "Yehowah said unto adonai, 'Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
You cannot teach monotheism if there are two chairs or thrones.
Please go to my website, my precious dear lady and see why this "TRINITY" is a lie from the devil that was invented by Catholics somewhere around 175 AD and made into Roman Law in 325 AD after the Nicene Council.
Let me get a few quotes from my page, so you can see for yourself,
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The people here that believe in the trinity also do not know the fundamental doctrines of Judaism. You know - the very faith that Jesus and his disciples practiced!!!! Jesus never - EVER - proclaimed to be "GOD" in the flesh.
In fact, he rebuked a young man over it - Let's look:
Mark 10
v.17 As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to him
and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good teacher,
what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No
one is good except God alone.
Thus, don't the undiscerning people here see that if Jesus is God, why is he then like Peter here by denying it?
Maybe, because he isn't "God in the Flesh" as the pagans have translated it into the English bibles. For if he were "God in the Flesh" then God is a liar, for he lied to this person and all those that heard him!!!
The truth of the matter is that Jesus ONLY proclaimed that he came FROM heaven with a message in his mouth by the ONE who sent him, and afterwards was going back to the ONE that sent him, and to re-sit at His right hand.
Let's look at those verses:
"He that receive you receive me, and he that receive me receive Him that sent me," Matt 10:40.
"Yehowah's spirit is upon me, because He hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me
to heal the brokenhearted," Luke 4:18.
"Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receive me: and whosoever shall receive me receive Him that
sent me," Luke 9:48.
"Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of Him that sent me, and to finish His work," John 4:34.
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me," John 5:30. This proves he was sent by Someone, and his words are of Someone else; thus, he is a servant and "God" is not a servant to anyone. Trinitarians are blasphemous.
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me," John 6:38.
"Jesus answered them, and said, 'My doctrine/teaching is not mine, but His that sent me," John 7:16.
"Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and I go unto Him that sent me," John 7:33.
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say,
and what I should speak," John 12:49.
"Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from EL and was returning
EL," John 13:3.
(I am a Jewish man and the word "el" is a class of spirits in our Jewish culture. While this word is commonly translated into English as "God" it does not mean "God" on many occasions. An "el" in our culture have the ability to create, but this does not mean this person is "GOD" it simply means that this person is very powerful. There are only two els in all of existence. The God of Israel and His made son. PLEASE GO TO THE LINK THAT I HAVE PROVIDED FOR I DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF OUR CULTURE)
"But now I go my way to Him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?," John 16:5.
"And now, Father, glorify me in Your Own Presence with the glory that I had with You before the world existed,"
John 17:5. This verse states that Jesus could not do this on his own, likewise it states that he lacked the glory he used to have. With that Jesus testifies about the passage found in Psalm 110:1, which is referring to himself before he was dis-ranked from an "el," (which does not always mean "God,") into a mere man. An el in the classic Hebrew faith is a class of spirits that have the ability to create, but only one of those els is the God of Israel, the other el is His son, that is a made being that sits as a prince at the right hand of the KING - the God of Israel!! There are only two els in existence - thus, defining the "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 when "they" made only two humans.
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For a 12 page document I made on this very subject, for non-Jews, please go to this page:
http://heshallgovern.homestead.com/why-j...
Thank you
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as far as "neal8mile" on page 1 on this "yahoo answer," he is false and the website is false. I am a Jew - he is not - and he does not know what he is talking about. For the messiah in Judaism in not "God," nor can ever be "God in the Flesh." In fact, John never said this in John 1, it is the trinitarian translators that made Jesus appear to be "GOD in the flesh," but it does not say this in the Greek.
Go here to see how I break down John 1:
http://heshallgovern.homestead.com/john-...
Thank you
P.S.
PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE EVIL AND VILE CATHOLIC UNDER ME BY THE NAME OF "imacatholic2," IT IS THESE PEOPLE THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! HE IS LYING IN THE NAME OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL!!!!!! SECONDLY, JUST BY HIS NAME ALONE WE SEE THAT HE LOVES PRAYING TO MARY, THUS COMMITTING NECROMANCY TO AN EXTANT, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PRAY TO ANY OTHER PEOPLE - ESPECIALLY DEAD PEOPLE!!
PSS, A man in your "answers" list, by the name of TubeDude," is a false witness. The "1 John 5:7" verse that he provides DOES NOT EXIST in ANY Greek Bibles before the 16th century, right before the KJB came out in 1611. It was inserted by a Catholic Scribe by the name, "Desiderius Erasmus ." Not even in the original Jerome Catholic Latin Bible called the "Vulgate" of the year 382 AD has this verse. It was inserted into the Vulgate some time after this, but before the Wycliffe Bible was made in 1385, because it is included in his bible, but his bible is a translation of the Vulgate, not the Greek originals.
THIS VERSE has a name all by itself, it is called "Comma Johanneum," because of its funny existence in only one Greek manuscript, from the 16th Century by the man I already named. Desiderius Erasmus made three editions, his first two editions did not even have this verse.
FOR A STUDY ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT, PLEASE GO TO MY WEBSITE AT:
http://heshallgovern.homestead.com/histo...
PSSS: "HannahJPaul" is a perfect example of accepting the Catholic Church doctrine verses the bible itself. Her and all those are committing idolatry, because such a God does not exist.. It's like saying, "I know President Bush, he is the head of th US government." Well, if someone says that - that might be true, which it is, but if the same person then says, "President Bush has such a beautiful afro and beautiful chocolate skin........" Ahhh, Is that the same as the real President Bush?
NOOOOO
This is what these Trinitarians are doing when they try to talk about or describe my God, and the ancient God of my people, the God of Israel. Their god is no god at all, for such a god does not exist. This is why Jews never convert, it is only the ignorant that do.
Flee, my sweet friend, from any and every preacher or person, church, and book that preaches the wicked trinity.
Shalom my sweet and dear friend
Dear beloved,
Let the answer come from Yehoshua's [Jesus'] own lips, not man's.
When the son of the living God, came down to earth at the commandment of his Father, the only God [for Jesus is not God] he did many works of wonder. During those times when he healed folks and performed many works of wonder there was a handicapped man being carried by for men - his four friends. They all heard about this man, Yehoshua, believing he was our [I am Jewish] messiah. That being said, they concluded that the greatest prophet has arrived in which all the other prophets predicted. He being the head of the prophets. Remember, other prophets raised the dead also - like Elijah and Elisha, feed many others by a little bit of food, divided waters and...., thus, "How much more so can this holy and torah observant man do such things?"
Well, these 5 people could not get to him because of the throng of people around as Yehoshua was inside a building. Full of ideas, they did not even care about their neighbor's [fellow Israelite's] house and jumped on the roof [everyone or most everyone had flat roofs or slightly sloped roofs] and broke through it in order to get to this prophet in this fashion. When this holy torah observant man, this grandest prophet saw him he said, "Sir/Man, thy sins are forgiven."
Ouhhh, with that the Pharisees, my fellow brothers, had issues with that for they said, "Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone [Luke 5:21]?"
Yehoshua agreed with them in this regard, but told them that being the prophet that he was he was **** given the permission [Gr: "exousia" or "εξουσιαν"] **** to forgive sins in the name of the God of Israel. To prove it to them he gave them a sign and, thus, proceeded to heal the man by a single utterance. With that the man was healed.
Regardless of the sign, for all prophets must give signs according to Judaism [the faith of Yehoshua], they still were not convinced and thus concluded, this man does not do this "work" in the name of our God, the God of Y'israel, but by the power of the devil.
Thus, what they just did is call the God of Israel a devil, because Yehoshua said to them before, "Yehowah's Spirit is upon me to....."
Thus, they committed the sin that cannot be forgiven. Yehoshua even says, "[paraphrase] Look, if you want to sin against me personally -those sins can be forgiven [if asked], but he who sins in this manner against the God of Israel will not be forgiven, because you are calling Yehowah's Spirit unclean or devilish."
Remember, Yehoshua came from heaven by the God of Israel and then went back to Him and sat at His right side.
Does my language sound funny in comparison to others? It should, because I am giving you the mentality from the religion of Jesus - one who practiced/s Judaism. To us, the trinity is a pagan belief - invented by non-Jews around 175 AD and codified into Gentile-Roman law at the Nicene Council after the Emperor converted to this tainted faith.
For you CANNOT preach the existence of a monotheistic God and have two separate thrones? For it says, "Yehowah said unto adonai, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
Notice that the one inviting Yehoshua to sit down is also the one that is defeating Yehoshua's enemies, not that he is doing himself.
For more info about this and other things, please go to my website at:
http://heshallgovern.homestead.com/why-jesus-is-not-God.html
Go to Luke 5 for this story.
Thank you