....you dare read the scripture any further, instead of stopping at the "fire that falls from heaven' verse. You can see it is later that all are judged according to their deeds, (that are written about in the books of deeds), and if your name is not found in the Lamb's book of life, then you are tossed into the lake of fire, READ IT (Rev 20).
"The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.----If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."
Now on a further note: humans DO have a soul that is in the shape of their body. Not as you say, "In contrast to the doctrine of Christ, modern pulpits resound with dramatic portrayals of imaginary souls leaving the body at death--souls that have neither substance nor shape.
"It is an "amazing fact" that you people cannot read!!!!! What is the point for the all-knowing God to give a command that says 'DO NOT COMMIT NECROMANCY (Duet 18:10-11)' if it is impossible to talk with dead people? Thus it is clear from the Lord Himself that you can. Don't you 'scholars' know the "witch of Endor" story in 1 Samuel 28? Do you think that this "spirit that is rising from the ground' is a demon? If so, you contradict the very narrator that said it was Samuel. Thus there is a soul that can be apart from the body, you foul and evil cultists!!!! Or, have you not read in Revelation about the beheaded saints' souls that are under the altar in the heavens (Rev 20:4) before any resurrection took place? I dare you to respond to my wisdom. You shall go to hell for your falsehood!!!!
I said what I said about I do not care about Doug being a Jew, because if he knew the God of Israel like me, he would then know the REAL meaning of the resurrection. After the last resurrection, death can no longer be obtained. Therefore, if the wicked can no longer die and they are thrown into the lake of fire, guess what? They are weeping and gnashing their teeth in a tormenting flame forever. And you Doug and all at the SDA's will go there.
So here you have three false doctrines already, which are:
1. You think that the fire that falls from heaven is 'hell.' This is because the
wicked died a second time, thus you think this is the 'second death.' I suppose
with that line of thinking you think Lazarus (the Lord's
friend) is in hell also, since he died a "second time." As well as
all that Jesus rose from the dead while on earth along with those that Elijah and
Elisha rose from the dead. Since all these people eventually died again (You
people are so ignorant!!!). If you would just read a little bit further in Revelation
you yourself would even judge this is false and that you yourselves are a wicked
church. But seeing already what you believe, you obviously do not care to read
further since your church has been around for quite some time..
2. You practically think humans have no soul, or you are leaning that
way, just like the Sadducees, since this so-called soul has "neither
substance nor shape."
3. You have no clue to the real meaning of the 'Resurrection,' for the word
in itself means 'to escape from death.' Now what is the point for the
wicked to even rise from the dead according to Daniel 12, if they are
going to die again. For even as you say, which is true of all that you
say, the dead know nothing. So to go along SDA's FALSE theory for
a second, if the dead know nothing already and they rise just to die
again, what is the point in that, since they will forever not 'know" their
judgment, because the dead know nothing anyway's? Might as well
just keep them dead. Thus what does Daniel the Prophet really say, "
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some
to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. It
does not say here that they will die again or return to the dust. No,
rather they will rise to live in 'everlasting' shame and contempt. READ
THE VERSE CORRECTLY!!
And lo!!!! This does not even count the other hard reasons that make this denomination a
cult in the first place. Which are:
4. They believe in the wicked Trinity doctrine, just as those foul Baptists, Catholics (who
invented the foul doctrine in the first place), non-denomational churches (which in truth are
denominational because all groups have a set of beliefs), Methodists, Lutherans, Pentecostal
all else that believe this wicked non-sense!!
5. They follow not Yehoshua, but rather follow after the doctrine of Ellen White. A cursed
woman.
6. They use and promote 'Pharmakos φαρμακοι (Medicine), commonly translated as
sorcery in Rev 22:15. And as I quote, not just say, according to Rev 22:15 all that use
pharmakos shall and will go to hell whether you like it or not. (So you better start obeying
the Lord, sinner, as Deut 28 says to do, so that the Lord would keep His end of the covenant
with you, by keeping you free from sickness and disease).
3/26/2006 5:27 AM,
Ron Bottsford,
I have read your e-mail and I must say you have not 'really' addressed a single thing I have written to either the SDA's or 'Amazing Facts.' Secondly, you fail to recognize that I come to you 'In the name of Yehowah, the Lord' and not in the name of the philosophers that invented the SDA church, people like William Miller, Hiram Edson, O.R.L. Crosier, Franklin B. Hahn, Rachel Oakes, Joseph Bates, Ellen G. White. Which their theologies are being taught at the evil universities where you even got your degree. AS:
Atlantic Union College, MA, USA
Andrews University, MI, USA
Columbia Union College, MD, USA
Florida Hospital College of Health Sciences, FL, USA
Griggs University, MD, USA
Kettering College of Medical Arts, OH, USA
La Sierra University, CA, USA
Loma Linda University, CA, USA
Oakwood College, AL, USA
Pacific Union College, CA, USA
Southern Adventist University, TN, USA
Southwestern Adventist University, TX, USA
Union College, NE, USA
Walla Walla College, WA, USA
In which not a single one of these founders were Jewish, nor observed the ways of the Lord, nor understood a single doctrine of the Tanach (which pagans call the 'old testament'.)
Let me ask you something in order to show you how deceived you are, by the devil, through the theology of the SDA faith......
If you take in context the part of Revelation where it says that fire came down from heaven to destroy the wicked, (which is in Revelation 20:9). Where does it say in this event that the wicked had a conversation with the Lord Yehoshua (that is Jesus)?..........
Think deeply what I just said...........
think of all the things Jesus said during his time on earth............
Do you see any of this occurring in this particular Revelation event? NOOOOO!!! Of course not.
In case you cannot figure out what I am talking about, I am talking about the real day of judgment, that is the great white throne judgment vs. a day of judgment as other times throughout history!!!!!
And like I said, because you obviously want to go along with your church's teaching instead of the truth, I will point out the truth for you again. This time in high detail, since SDAs are so slow or dull. Please understand that I am not trying to insult you, but many religions exist because they outright refuse to seek into things, including you too, obviously.
So answer this question: Where in this event did these following verses take place.....
"Then he (Jesus) will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a foreigner and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a foreigner or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.?"
OR AGAIN WHEN DID THIS FOLLOWING VERSE TAKE PLACE?
"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers (Matthew 7:22-23)!'"
Or again, when did the Messiah ever separate the sheep from the goats when all people actually stood before him for judgment prior to the fire raining down from heaven, as mentioned below?
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. "
Or again, where in this Revelation verse, as well as before or after or in this segment of this chapter did this following statement come to pass?.........
"The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
No Where!!!!!
Rather, this fire that falls down from the heavens means that the wicked will die a second time, after their resurrection, after the thousand years, BUT also again prior to the day of judgment. For Malachi 4 is talking about the fire that rains down from heaven, but not THE day of judgment.
Furthermore, if YOU should read in context these verses of Revelation instead of what has been taught to you through your theology school, which forces you to believe what you do in order for you to become a preacher for them, of the SDA faith, vs. being a real follower of the Lord by obeying what he says in the torah and then preach such as his disciples did, because the scriptures are that simple. For everyone that actually does this can see that HELL DOES EXIST. You are in error and are also telling lies in the name of the Lord and no liars will ever enter the kingdom of the Lord. Furthermore, any simpleton can see that satan was cast into a 'lake of fire' whereas his wicked human troops where simply burned up by fire that rained down upon them. Yet if you should dare read the following paragraph, instead of just stopping there, you can see the part that states 'the sea,' 'death and the grave' gave up their dead. Thus making them (the people) resurrect again and then they were all judged according to the deeds they have done as it's been recorded. And so......... at that point if someone's name does not appear in the Lamb's Book of Life that, same person will be 'THROWN' into the "LAKE OF FIRE." The same lake where satan had been thrown earlier, as well as the 'beast and false prophet' before that were also 'thrown." As it says,
"The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
Did you notice the wording here? It says that the "lake of fire" is the second death, not the fire that fell from heaven to cause the wicked to die for a second time. For as mentioned, you are missing the point of the meaning of the resurrection.
As I mentioned in my letter to you once before, let me quote, lets read it slowlyyyy so we can see what it says,
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some
to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Do you read in this verse that they will die again after this particular resurrection?
NO YOU DO NOT. Thus 'exactly my point.'
Look and understand what I am going to tell you. Each righteous person will only be resurrected once, whether that will be before, or after the 1000 year reign of the Messiah. This all depends on if that righteous person was beheaded or not. I am not talking about, by the way, the righteous that are alive at his arrival, but only those that are already dead at his arrival. As the book says, "I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection (Rev 20:4-6)." And each wicked person will resurrect twice. Why? Because of what was just stated, "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended." Which consists of all people from Adam to then, thus the rest of the righteous that were not beheaded, like Abraham and others, but also meaning all the wicked too. And so these wicked people that do arise shall be deceived by the devil and they will come against Jerusalem one more time. Yet, while they are coming against Jerusalem, fire from heaven shall rain down upon them and kill them for a second time. And so will be fulfilled the prophecy of Malachi when the righteous will trample on their ashes. Yet lo and behold, the Lord will resurrect them again as it says in Rev 20:13, "The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and sheol gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done." It is then, at this time, that the Son divides the people as the sheep and the goats. It is also at this time that those that do believe in Jesus, but did not obey the Law of Moses, such as yourself (please repent), along with the wicked, have a conversation with Yehoshua. The believers will say "Lord Lord, did we not do all these things in your name, heal, prophesy, and cast out demons." Then Jesus will say, "Depart from me, for I NEVER knew you." Because they never did what was commanded of them from Mt Sinai, the law of Moses. In which the prophets of long ago always tried to get the people back to, even John the Baptist. Yet, they trusted the false doctrine of grace taught by the heretic Paul or got sifted by evil churches or both. This is just talking about those that do believe Jesus is the Messiah, the son of the only God. So if this is just talking about those that do believe in Jesus, there is no need to continue with those people that do not believe.
It's just like my righteous wife says correctly to people, "What is the point of 'cutting off your hand' or 'plucking out your eye' so that your whole body will not be 'thrown' into hell,' if "hell" actually means that you are eternally unconscious as when you are sleeping, but without dreams, as the dead currently are, instead of the truth? In which the wicked will resurrect forever and live in 'eternal contempt and shame,' and 'weep' and will be in an 'unquenchable fire????'"
Now I want to get back on Samuel again. I told you how tainted you are. You are deceived by that wicked school you went to and the doctrine you learned. Either you believe in the narrator of 1 Samuel, or you believe in the foul lie of your pagan church and faith. Let me quote to you the verses that the narrator or author wrote,
12 When the woman saw Samuel (not a demon), she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!"
13 The king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?"
The woman said, "I see a spirit coming up out of the ground."
14 "What does he look like?" he asked.
"An old man wearing a robe is coming up," she said.
Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
15 Samuel said to Saul (not a deceiving demon!!!!!), "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?"
Therefore, if you think that these verses are given by the Lord or His servants, then it is what it is, not a demon!!! Therefore, this is why there is a commandment in the Torah that says, "you must not go to a medium'' and "do not commit necromancy," because if the Lord himself gave you the command, the command in itself tells you this type of witchcraft is real. You must have a real hard time with the story where Pharaoh's servants did the exact same miracles as Moses did through their witchcraft. You also must have a hard time with Deuteronomy 13 that says:
"If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place." Yet..... all of a sudden he entices you to worship other gods ........ put him to death.
One thing about the wicked people of the SDA's you deny the very power of godliness, so much so you go to the people of pharmakos (medicine) that the Lord will destroy as stated in Rev 22:15 "Outside are the dogs, those who use pharmakos (commonly translated as "sorcery", which is false), the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
I say all this in Love, though I rebuke, to save you from this foul, wicked, idolatrous, pharmakos and deceptive faith, that has NOTHING to do with the JEWISH Moshiach, Yehoshua.
Then on top of all this, unless you are in California, you sinned against the Lord by using your computer during the hours of the sabbath to give me your response, which you are not allowed to do. For as I mentioned on my website, SDAs know when sabbath is, they just don't keep it. My web address is below.
Repent and live
go to
to understand the real ways of the Lord and his God.
There you can understand how to observe sabbath,
know that the trinity is a demonic doctrine
know that you are not saved by grace
know that you MUST obey the whole law of Moses that consists of over 2000 commandments
and.....
In the name of the Lord Yehoshua and in the Name of his God, Yehowah,
Maregaal
